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Self-Reliance versus Self-Sufficiency

Offline Ken K7KBJ

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Self-Reliance versus Self-Sufficiency
« on: August 23, 2018, 09:28:22 AM »
Last night's session of the Northern Nevada Preppers Group Net has been posted.We discussed Self-Reliance versus Self-Sufficiency.

Here's your link:  August 22, 2018 - Self-Reliance versus Self-Sufficiency

Here's the chat room transcript:

7:43:09 PM
Ken K7KBJ joined the channel
AC1BN joined the channel
7:57:39 PM
Ken K7KBJ
Hi fred !
7:58:11 PM
AC1BN
Evening, all. Fred and "Crack Cat" standing by!
7:59:01 PM
Glenda - KG7MZO joined the channel
8:00:01 PM
Glenda - KG7MZO
Good evening
8:00:06 PM
Jason joined the channel
8:00:36 PM
Ken K7KBJ
Hi Jason
8:01:01 PM
Glenda - KG7MZO
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8:01:09 PM
Jason left the channel (timeout)
Josh k7zim joined the channel
8:02:52 PM
Josh k7zim
Evenong everyone
8:03:03 PM
Ken K7KBJ
Hi Josh
8:03:29 PM
Glenda - KG7MZO
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8:03:43 PM
Ken K7KBJ
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8:04:00 PM
AC1BN
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8:04:12 PM
Josh k7zim
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8:05:09 PM
Glenda - KG7MZO
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8:05:39 PM
Josh k7zim
I got nothin on the topic. I'm too integrated into the grid.
8:06:03 PM
Ken K7KBJ
I have to learn gardening and cooking
8:06:03 PM
Glenda - KG7MZO
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8:06:53 PM
Josh k7zim
I call those hobbys ken. Lol
8:07:21 PM
Ken K7KBJ
Ok, they are good hobbies at which to excel !
8:08:56 PM
Glenda - KG7MZO
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8:09:15 PM
AC1BN
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8:09:35 PM
Ken K7KBJ
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8:09:49 PM
Josh k7zim
I dont know, i see self reliance and self sustaining as off grid, and totally self sufficient without the need of anything from the world. I guess there are broader instances to consider.
8:13:02 PM
Jason joined the channel
8:13:37 PM
Josh k7zim
Hi jason
8:13:52 PM
Jason
Hey Josh
8:14:10 PM
Glenda - KG7MZO
Phew....that was a mouthful
8:14:19 PM
Josh k7zim
Lol
8:14:26 PM
Jason
Sounding good Glenda
8:14:37 PM
Glenda - KG7MZO
Thanks!
8:16:06 PM
Josh k7zim
Same here glenda
8:16:10 PM
Glenda - KG7MZO
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8:18:23 PM
Josh k7zim
Oops lots live feed for a sec
8:18:35 PM
Jason
Not that I consider myself, self sufficient, but our garden is producing approx. 2-3 lbs of Tomatoes
8:19:14 PM
N7SAX joined the channel
8:19:15 PM
Josh k7zim
Nice!
8:19:18 PM
Jason
Per day right now
8:19:33 PM
Glenda - KG7MZO
That is awesome!
8:19:34 PM
N7SAX
Good Evening
8:19:44 PM
Josh k7zim
Evening sax
8:19:47 PM
Glenda - KG7MZO
I have a little announcement
8:20:51 PM
Jason
Hoping
8:21:07 PM
Glenda - KG7MZO
I have starteda a webiste - www.achicandherradio.com.  I am going to be blogging and sharing my journey as a female ham radio operator.
8:21:35 PM
N7SAX
For Fred... NATO 20 Liter Fuel Cans, have a look at: https://www.roverparts.com/nxt/?keywords=Jerry%20Cans
8:21:41 PM
Jason
waiting for my Tech license to post so I can comment on air
8:22:05 PM
Josh k7zim
Nice glenda! Good luck with it! Hope it takes off for you!
8:22:06 PM
N7SAX
These cans are nearly bullet proof.
8:22:09 PM
Glenda - KG7MZO
Yeah Jason!  Congratulations on your ticket
8:22:37 PM
Josh k7zim
Congrats jason!
8:23:16 PM
AC1BN
Welcome to the world's greatest hobby!
8:23:45 PM
N7SAX
Also this is a good item:  https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B01N5MTBZB/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
8:23:55 PM
Jason left the channel (timeout)
8:24:23 PM
Glenda - KG7MZO
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8:24:28 PM
Josh k7zim
General rule for growing its 2 acres per person per year i believe.
8:24:55 PM
Ken K7KBJ
JASON !!!!!     GOOD JOB !
8:25:33 PM
N7SAX
There are a few places in town to buy Ethanol-Free Gas which will store longer than Gas with Ethanol
8:26:29 PM
Ken K7KBJ
SAX, do you listen via radio or our live web feed?
8:26:28 PM
Josh k7zim
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8:26:45 PM
N7SAX
https://www.pure-gas.org/index.jsp?stateprov=NV
Hi Ken, Radio
8:28:40 PM
Jason joined the channel
8:28:51 PM
Glenda - KG7MZO
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8:28:56 PM
Ken K7KBJ
Great net tonight !
Glad to hear some new operators
8:29:19 PM
Josh k7zim
Lots of new voices! Awesome!
8:29:51 PM
Ken K7KBJ
Our friend from Canada is listening to the web feed again !
8:29:56 PM
Jason left the channel (timeout)
8:30:06 PM
Josh k7zim
Hey canda!
8:30:30 PM
Glenda - KG7MZO
Canada, eh?
Everyone sit back and prepare for the Jerry bobms!!
8:31:25 PM
Ken K7KBJ
Jerry is our hero :0)
Glad his signal is good again
8:32:27 PM
Glenda - KG7MZO
He sounds great tonight
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8:33:59 PM
N7SAX
Seriously...  look at this website for E-Free Gas that will store much better and longer than the pervasive 15% Ethanol Gas that everyone is consuming.   https://www.pure-gas.org/index.jsp?stateprov=NV
8:34:14 PM
Glenda - KG7MZO
Jerry really makes you think about these topics
8:34:22 PM
Ken K7KBJ
Kool, thanks SAX
8:34:25 PM
Josh k7zim
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8:34:37 PM
Glenda - KG7MZO
He digs deep into every topic
8:34:53 PM
N7SAX
YW Ken
8:35:08 PM
Jason joined the channel
8:35:48 PM
Ken K7KBJ
I think Jerry's battery was getting low
8:35:50 PM
N7SAX
The best place is Sierra Fuel @ 319 Sutro
8:36:09 PM
Josh k7zim
Good info jerry
8:37:15 PM
Jason
My experience with Burning Man is most aren’t any more suffice than someone camping for a few days. The attendees aren’t able to handle any type of complication.
8:37:53 PM
Josh k7zim
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8:37:59 PM
Ken K7KBJ
Jason, you may be right, even though the staff at BM try hard to get them to do better.
I have never been there
8:39:25 PM
Jason
I’m sure they do. My experience is on the medical side and things we were called for were pretty basic. Plus add Alcohol, drugs and bad decisions and self sufficiency goes away.
8:39:25 PM
Glenda - KG7MZO
Ken, is it Jerry's battery or his mic key?
8:39:57 PM
Ken K7KBJ
We'll see after he starts using his TYT again.
8:42:22 PM
Josh k7zim
Great net guys! Good job glenda! You all have a great week!
8:42:50 PM
N7SAX left the channel (quit)
Josh k7zim left the channel (quit)
8:43:00 PM
Ken K7KBJ
Good night everyone !
8:43:22 PM
Jason
In my opinion the biggest barriers to self sufficiency is power(fuel), health(medical care), finally protein(meat etc)
Thanks everyone
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Offline Jerry D Young

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Re: Self-Reliance versus Self-Sufficiency
« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2018, 09:08:56 PM »

Thank you, Ken.


I finally got some things caught up and am feeling a bit better. My thoughts on Self-reliance and Self-sufficiency are in my post below.

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Jerry D Young

Prepare for the worst and hope for the best, and always remember TANSTAAFL

(TANSTAAFL - There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch - Robert A. Heinlein)

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Re: Self-Reliance versus Self-Sufficiency
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2018, 09:18:14 PM »

Here is an article (a very long one with many details) that gives my thoughts on self-reliance and self-sufficiency. Their similarities and their differences as I see them.


Also included are my thoughts on what is required to achieve up to 95% self-sufficiency.


There are sections that have my thoughts on a prepper homestead or estate that lends itself to high levels of self-sufficiency. Included are construction ideas that help up the self-reliance and self-sufficiency for defending the place. And lastly, two really long lists of specifics for the estate/homestead, and the owner's house/mansion.


This is all geared toward being the core resource for a community, especially after a major event creates a massive die-off and the destruction of most of, if not all of, our modern infrastructure that makes current lifestyles possible.


It is not stated in the lists, but some of the very high-value transportation options are actually intended to allow international travel in order to procure certain items that simply are not available in the US, or are in minute quantities. My designs, while costly, are costly for features and capabilities, not gold plated faucets, marble floors, and fancy for fancy's sake.


Let me know what you think.


(Going to be interesting to see how many people actually look at it.)


I hope to catch up on several of the other articles and get them posted that I have been saying I would put up here. Soon, I hope.


Everything is just my opinion.

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Jerry D Young

Prepare for the worst and hope for the best, and always remember TANSTAAFL

(TANSTAAFL - There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch - Robert A. Heinlein)

Re: Self-Reliance versus Self-Sufficiency
« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2018, 02:57:38 PM »
Jerry - downloaded the list - IS THAT ALL?????
 ;) ;D 8)
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