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Fuel, Lubricants, Oils Storage For Safety And Longevity
« on: August 30, 2018, 10:09:09 AM »
Last night's session of the Northern Nevada Preppers Group Net has been posted.
We discussed Fuel, Lubricants, Oils Storage For Safety And Longevity.
Here's the chat room transcript:
7:56:48 PMKen K7KBJ joined the channel
KG7MZO - Glenda joined the channel
8:00:01 PM
KG7MZO - Glenda
whoa. where is everybody?
8:04:09 PM
RR joined the channel
8:06:41 PM
KG7MZO - Glenda
Quiet night tonight
Hello RR
Welcome to the net
8:08:00 PM
RR
How many usually check-in to this net?
8:08:55 PM
Josh k7zim joined the channel
8:09:14 PM
Josh k7zim
Evening everyone
8:09:43 PM
RR
How many usually check-in to this net?
8:09:52 PM
KG7MZO - Glenda
It varies.
8:10:08 PM
Ken K7KBJ
Hi All !
8:10:11 PM
KG7MZO - Glenda
We've had up to 15 or so on some nights
We open the net for check-ins 3 timers
times
8:10:35 PM
RR
ok
8:10:50 PM
KG7MZO - Glenda
We get lots of rechecks
8:12:04 PM
Ken K7KBJ
Hi RR, Welcome to the net
8:12:57 PM
RR
Tnx
8:14:00 PM
KG7MZO - Glenda
Let's hope Jerry's radio holds out tonight
Hi Josh!
8:14:30 PM
Ken K7KBJ
It will. If not, he has the TYT backup. I set it for low power and it still sounds great. It won't heat up and fail.
8:14:31 PM
Josh k7zim
Hi glenda
Wavian arnt that spendy on ebay
8:15:39 PM
Ken K7KBJ
.
8:16:12 PM
Josh k7zim
Green for desil
Blue for kerosene
Im hearing a double or something with jerry
8:17:10 PM
KG7MZO - Glenda
Me too
8:17:33 PM
Ken K7KBJ
Not me. he sounds normal
8:18:40 PM
Josh k7zim
What about wood gas jerry?
8:19:44 PM
Ken K7KBJ
I'll ask him
8:20:38 PM
Josh k7zim
Thanks ken i forgot he doesnt watch the chat.
8:21:44 PM
KG7MZO - Glenda
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8:22:49 PM
Josh k7zim
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Diesel conversion to run on cooking oils or used motor oils would be useful.
Or learning to make bio-diesel
8:26:54 PM
KG7MZO - Glenda
I was thinking that too Josh
8:27:33 PM
Ken K7KBJ
a friend of mine makes his own bio-deisel. It's pretty much a full time hobby. Lots of work but can be done.
8:28:03 PM
KG7MZO - Glenda
You need a lot of cooking oil to make bio-diesel, right?
8:29:14 PM
Ken K7KBJ
He uses cooking oil and a bunch of other things food related. It's kind of like a still to make booze
8:29:22 PM
Josh k7zim
Only to make alot of fuel. Its scalable
8:29:40 PM
N7SAX joined the channel
8:29:55 PM
KG7MZO - Glenda
Good evening N7SAX
8:29:56 PM
N7SAX
Good evening
8:30:10 PM
Josh k7zim
Hi sax
8:30:12 PM
KG7MZO - Glenda
Topic tonight is fuel storage
8:30:13 PM
Ken K7KBJ
Hi SAX
8:31:19 PM
N7SAX
Getting the website for what I have found to be the BEST place to get the best NATA Jerry Cans at the Best Price, standby
NATO not NATA
8:31:42 PM
Ken K7KBJ
Kool
8:31:56 PM
RR left the channel (quit)
8:32:10 PM
N7SAX
https://www.roverparts.com/Parts/GJC20K2
8:32:43 PM
Josh k7zim
And fuel grade alcohol is highly volatile also
8:32:55 PM
KG7MZO - Glenda
I forgot that Jerry was once a firefighter in one of his many previous lives
8:33:12 PM
Josh k7zim
And burns blue so its darn near invisible to see burning
8:33:36 PM
Ken K7KBJ
It's easier to list the things Jerry has not, can not or will not do !
8:35:41 PM
N7SAX
These guys have the best price on Wavian NATO cans. They are made in Latvia. They are made (presumably) at sea level, shipped by ocean to the east coast and then shipped overland to us here at 4500' above sea level. When I opened mine for the first time the all BURPED hugely blowing the cap wide open. Point being they made that whole trip with out leaking.
8:36:39 PM
Josh k7zim
Shoot lucky they didnt distort from the pressure
8:36:48 PM
N7SAX
I'll look up a YouTube that shows them being driven over with a truck and thrown onto concrete from a good height
8:37:00 PM
Ken K7KBJ
Thanks SAX
8:38:08 PM
N7SAX
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydIw2cj0lrQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuie9ZDWL1M
Check those out
8:40:04 PM
Ken K7KBJ
Nice
8:40:11 PM
Josh k7zim
Thanks ken!
8:40:23 PM
N7SAX
Also these are good: https://safetysiphon.net/
8:40:40 PM
Ken K7KBJ
Very interesting concept - wood gas
8:41:41 PM
Josh k7zim
Its like making charcoal but using the gasses to run an engine.
Perfect jerry thanks
8:42:51 PM
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8:43:29 PM
Josh k7zim
Hi ake
8:43:29 PM
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8:43:43 PM
Josh k7zim
Hi aje too
8:44:03 PM
KJ7AJE
Hello
8:44:15 PM
N7SAX
Josh, they are designed to expand and contract significantly
8:44:24 PM
Josh k7zim
Welcome!
Nice ive been eyeballin em for a while now.
8:45:13 PM
N7SAX
The American Jerry Cans leak
History of the German designed Jerry Can now referred to as NATO: https://www.wiliam.com.au/wiliam-blog/the-humble-jerrycan-the-story-of-brilliant-design
8:46:51 PM
KJ7AJE
I’m going to trial a few metal jerry cans, currently using plastic and am seeing a lot of expansionI
8:47:56 PM
KG7MZO - Glenda left the channel (timeout)
8:48:04 PM
Ken K7KBJ
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8:48:27 PM
Josh k7zim
Stock up on vaseline lol
8:48:43 PM
KG7MZO - Glenda joined the channel
8:49:32 PM
Ken K7KBJ
Those guys on The Walking Dead have been going on for about a decade now on old gas without a single problem !
HAHAHAHAHA
8:49:48 PM
Josh k7zim
Lmao!
8:50:21 PM
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8:50:28 PM
Ken K7KBJ
.
8:50:53 PM
Joel joined the channel
8:51:03 PM
KG7MZO - Glenda
Hello Joel
Welcome to the net
8:51:17 PM
Josh k7zim
Welcome joel
8:51:28 PM
Joel
Hello everyone. Happy to be here
8:52:09 PM
KG7MZO - Glenda
Is this the first time to catch our net?
8:52:14 PM
N7SAX
Nearly every Seller of Jerry Cans sell them individually with a spout, usually a CARB spout (which are awful) so they are expensive, like $80.00 a can. British Atlantic/ rover parts sells them without spouts for as little as $40.00 so you can buy a quantity with having paid for way more spouts than you need. also first time buyers get a 10% discount
8:52:41 PM
Josh k7zim
I have come powder cooking crisco. Havent used it but it says its good
8:52:50 PM
Joel
Hi Glenda, I tuned in once before, but didn't xmit
8:53:15 PM
KG7MZO - Glenda
Glad you could join us this evening
8:53:34 PM
Joel
Me too. GREAT information
8:54:30 PM
Josh k7zim
Great net ken! Glad to see new people in here, welcome all of you! Hope to see you all here again! Have a good week everyone!
8:54:35 PM
KG7MZO - Glenda
Jerry is a wealth of knowledge
Agreed Josh
Great net tonight
Next week is going to be another good one
Different
You'll enjoy it
8:55:41 PM
Josh k7zim
Sweet!
8:55:51 PM
Joel
I look forward to it
8:56:09 PM
Josh k7zim
Night all!
8:56:19 PM
KG7MZO - Glenda
Good night everyone!
See ya next week
8:56:39 PM
N7SAX
Ken, if the Group is interested maybe a "Group Buy" could be arranged.
8:56:58 PM
Josh k7zim left the channel (timeout)
8:56:58 PM
N7SAX
I hope that helped. good night

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Offline Ken K7KBJ

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Re: Fuel, Lubricants, Oils Storage For Safety And Longevity
« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2018, 11:18:03 AM »
From Greg, N7SAX.....
 Atlantic British who has the best price on NATO Jerry Cans has a Labor Day Weekend free freight deal through 9/4 on orders of $199 or more which lands the 5 gal / 20 liter cans at about $43.00 each which is the best deal anywhere on The best fuel container.
 https://www.roverparts.com/Parts/GJC20K2
 
 They also have two smaller size versions.
 
 If you are interested in acting on this and you want any direction/opinion on spouts, carriers, etc. you can call me now or over the weekend at (775) 412-3900.
 
 
 Of more long range interest, Safety Siphon will offer us a Group Buy on their siphons which are the Original, 100% American made and Food Grade. Many Wineries use them so they are good for fuel or water (or wine LOL) I have multiple units, one that stays with the vehicle for fuel, a couple at home for fuel and water, etc. 
  • 100% Pure Lead Free Copper Pump With Glass Ball And Stainless Steel Spring
  • High Quality 100% Virgin Grade PVC Tubing, Good For Fuel, FDA Sanctioned Food Grade
This is the ORIGINAL, the Chinese knock-offs are copper plated, not spark-safe for fuel transfer and not Food-Grade (even if they say they are).
 
 My recommendation is the 10' 3/4" ID unit, it is tight, but it will fit into a Automobile GAS inlet and transfers almost twice as fast (6 gal/min) as the 1/2" model (3.5 gal/min).
 
 Every Household should have at least two, one for water and one for fuel.
 
 Retail price on the Safety Siphon website is $25 plus freight, Amazon price is $22.75 with free freight to Prime members.
 
 We could also offer this Group Buy to the entire SNARS membership and get the price down even further...
 
 We can get the following prices at the respective quantities:
 
 10    $18.00/ea
 25    $15.00/ea
 100  $13.00/ea
 200  $12.00/ea
 Plus Freight Charge
 
 https://safetysiphon.net
 
 Videos:
 https://safetysiphon.net/pages/videos
If you want to be on a list to see if we can get some purchase discounts, email me.
Kenk7kbj@arrl.net
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Offline Jerry D Young

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Re: Fuel, Lubricants, Oils Storage For Safety And Longevity
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2018, 12:04:56 PM »

Put me down for two of the syphons, Ken.


I would look closely at the Jerry Cans in the Rover Parts link. The ones that come up are made by Valpro. Stated as made to European military and NATO specifications. The note in the description states that they ARE NOT legal for fuel.


The Wavian cans ( https://wavianusa.com/ ) are
EPA, CARB and DOT approved and OSHA Compliant. More expensive, however. Always shop around, and check shipping charges.



Just my opinion.
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Prepare for the worst and hope for the best, and always remember TANSTAAFL

(TANSTAAFL - There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch - Robert A. Heinlein)

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Re: Fuel, Lubricants, Oils Storage For Safety And Longevity
« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2018, 06:27:50 PM »
Hi Jerry,

They are not "legal" (in all 50 States) for fuel because they do not come with CARB nozzles.  They are legal in Nevada and they are legal in CA if you have a CARB nozzle.

They are Wavian Cans, you can call to make sure: 800-533-2210
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Offline Jerry D Young

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Re: Fuel, Lubricants, Oils Storage For Safety And Longevity
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2018, 01:56:12 PM »
My mistake. I stand corrected. Thank you for catching that.




I did find the usually accepted color code for fuel storage containers.


Gasoline: Red
Diesel: Yellow
Kerosene: Blue
Combustible Oils: Green


Water:
As far as I can find so far there is no specific color code for water containers. However, it is important that any container, no matter what the color, be fully opaque. No light can penetrate. Metal and wood generally are fine. But the various polymers can be problematic. The container must be made opaque either by special treatment of the container material, the material coloring agent is part of the material, or a coating is applied to the container to make it fully opaque.


Many colors, even 'dark' colors, may look totally opaque from the outside. But check in good sun by looking through an opening in the container, shielding the light from the opening, to check for any light penetration at all. If there is any, algae will grow in the tank if it is in the sun. This includes some containers that look very dark on the outside.


Just my opinion.


Jerry
« Last Edit: September 07, 2018, 02:22:53 PM by Jerry D Young »
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Prepare for the worst and hope for the best, and always remember TANSTAAFL

(TANSTAAFL - There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch - Robert A. Heinlein)

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Re: Fuel, Lubricants, Oils Storage For Safety And Longevity
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2018, 03:31:50 PM »
Sure Jerry, no problem.  I have a number of these cans, they are the real deal.  Check these videos out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydIw2cj0lrQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuie9ZDWL1M

Do you know there are 3 places you can buy 87 octane 0-Ethanol gas in town year-round at reasonable prices?

Check this site out:
https://www.pure-gas.org/index.jsp?stateprov=NV

Sierra Fuel is the cheapest, open M-F, 8-5 closed on the lunch hour. Old School place.
At the two Maverik stations notice 0-Ethanol is marked in Blue on the marquis and the pumps.
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Offline Jerry D Young

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Re: Fuel, Lubricants, Oils Storage For Safety And Longevity
« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2018, 06:06:04 PM »

I did not know about the availability of the alcohol free fuel. Thank you very much for that information.



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Prepare for the worst and hope for the best, and always remember TANSTAAFL

(TANSTAAFL - There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch - Robert A. Heinlein)

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Re: Fuel, Lubricants, Oils Storage For Safety And Longevity
« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2018, 06:37:59 PM »
You're welcome Buddy.

My 1999 & 2017 Toyota 4Runners run great on it.

Of course you know it will store longer and it is less corrosive to your engine metal, fiber and rubber parts. There are about 5 Maverik stations around town but only 2 have it, Top of Sutro at McCarran and South Meadows, but it is about .25/gal cheaper at Sierra Fuel on the west side of Sutro 1/2 block south of 4th Street.
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Re: Fuel, Lubricants, Oils Storage For Safety And Longevity
« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2018, 10:31:04 PM »
Jerry,

Check these Water Jerry Cans out, expensive but worth looking into.  I have a few, I just put a powerful flashlight to the exterior and no sign of light inside, tomorrow I'll check it in direct sunlight... I'll update you.

https://wavianusa.com/water-cans
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Re: Fuel, Lubricants, Oils Storage For Safety And Longevity
« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2018, 07:04:25 AM »

I like those. Thanks.



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